I buy this every time I see it... better me have it than all people selling them at a premium price. I'd rather give them away to quality DJs then see them go to hipster doofuses.

parts of "amen brother" sound alot like "we're a winner" by the Impressions (Curtis mayfield) from the year before this, (1968) https://www.discogs.com/Impressions-Were-A-Winner/release/667114

Just a little FYI: The Amen break used in most UK 'Ardkore, Jungle, House, and etc productions is actually lifted from Mantronix "King of the Beats", not the original recording of the Amen Brother. Mantronix added additional percussion and processing that adds to the hissy nature of the breakbeat. If your trying to make the above mentioned music authentic to the early 90s you'll want to use the Mantronix version. The other version worthy of use is the one NWA used in Straight outta Compton which has its on unique colored sound. This NWA amen was used extensively in 1991.

Both Mantronix and NWA lifted the break from Ultimate Breaks And Beats. Nobody was sampling straight from the Winstons back then.

Unlike the others, Having listened to d&B and jungle since they existed, i I will say the 'straight from the winstons track sample' is definitely the one most heard in jungle, the crash at the end of the loop is one of the critical parts of the break. And the mantronix track would have been sampled from the Winstons track anyway, but they(mantronix) obviously just snipped of the crash. Its a non issue tbh.

No it does not have the cymbal crash. I think producers such as for example, Grant Nelson, would have used both the Mantronix record for the main beat and the crash from the Winstons record. You can easily tell if the Mantronix version is used in a song by listening for the ticking of the closed high hats in the background.

Out of interest search for songs using any type of sample, 2089 according to this! http://www.whosampled.com/The-Winstons/Amen,-Brother/sampled/?ob=0&cp=2

I politely disagree... anyone sampling should try to get the original un-processed copy from the 45. Then add/subtract/multiply or divide from the purest possible captured sound wave. You are then able to do anything with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Mantronix version doesn't have the famous crash cymbal in it, right?

Stuck_In_1992 Just a little FYI:The Amen break used in most UK 'Ardkore, Jungle, House, and etc productions is actually lifted from Mantronix "King of the Beats", not the original recording of the Amen Brother. Mantronix added additional percussion and processing that adds to the hissy nature of the breakbeat. If your trying to make the above mentioned music authentic to the early 90s you'll want to use the Mantronix version. The other version worthy of use is the one NWA used in Straight outta Compton which has its on unique colored sound. This NWA amen was used extensively in 1991. Agreed. Stuck_In_1992. I knew that most Junglists would have used it straight off the NWA track, but never thought of the Mantronix track. Ironically, I was just listening to "King of The Beats" just this afternoon in my car. First time in years.

Just paid £18.00 for this 7" money well spent haven worth every penny i got the original press

Its only going to go up. After listening to jungle and d&b for basically 2 and a half decades, i am only now getting around to buying my own copy, I have known about the tune for years, and judging by current prices, i should have bought it years ago :-) I paid £40 for mine :/

Goodness thats expensive. I paid no more then 5 dollars for each of my copies. In the USA they have these cheap at record shows because record sellers at these things do not know the value of the record. They're so plentiful that I've given many of these away to friends for free.

As everyone commenting on this 7" single, it's the B-Side that I will be commenting on, Amen Brother.Without realising it, the Watsons and the drummer/ vocalist Gregory Coleman had created one of the most important records within modern music. The 6 second drum break that begins at 1:27 help create modern dance music & hip-hop. When the early Hardcore & Jungle music was being pioneered, you would find that 90% was sampling the Amen Brother drum break. I am surprised that not a lot of fuss isn't being made about this record, not only because of the infamous 6 second drum break but also for the fact that it is an all round great song.

Who are the Watsons again? I think it's the Winstons.

There is no way The Winstons could have known. Technology is odd like that. Here we were wishing for hoverboards when instead all we got were ipods. Amazing tune that proves the old adage, "What is one man's trash is another man's treasure"!

If only The Winstons had known... Amen Brother is, without a doubt, one of the most influential songs to have ever been recorded. In spite of this high accord, it is also one of the most under recognized songs by mainstream music. It's there though. Lurking in an untold number of drum and bass, breakbeat and hiphop songs. A staple of thousands of producers worldwide. Chances are you have heard it spliced into many songs, commercials, movie title tracks and many other sources. Maybe it catches your ear. Chances are though you'd be damned if you could name the source. Well here it is. A one shot single from a 60's RnB group that launched entire genres into existence. If only they had known. If only they could foreseen the rise of sampling in music. Perhaps they would receive the credit and royalties they well deserve.

If they had been in it for the money, they would have never even made it this way. Selling out and losing your soul would never birth this record.

One of my first great moments in crate digging involved me finding 3 copies of this 7" in the "Winger" section at my local record shop. For $2 each. I took them all! "Amen, Brother" is probably my favorite break, it's the one that inspired me to start looking for drum breaks on old records. It has been used countless times in many of the greatest jungle and hiphop tracks of all time. Essential!